The county needs to go in and find out, are these two different people or are they the same person? Because that’s the only way to figure out whether there were enough votes there and fraudulent votes to actually make a difference, if not in the presidential election, other elections.Ĭhilders: How do you figure that out though, Hans? The difference between whether it was just sloppiness or does it rise to the level of fraud? Because that’s significant. Von Spakovsky: What this shows is a, frankly, great sloppiness in Maricopa County and elect officials not properly doing their job.Īnd again, I mean, just looking at one of the numbers of individuals who the audit says may have been registered in two different counties and voted twice, that needs to be investigated. So out of all of that breakdown, what do you think is most important, or telling, or significant? There were 23,344 mail-in ballots that voted from a prior address 10,342 potential voters that voted in multiple counties there were 9,041 more ballots returned by voters than received 3,432 official results that do not match who voted and there were 2,592 more duplicates than original ballots and the margin of victory was 10,457. Heather Childers: Hans, let’s break down some of the numbers, some of the ballots in question, as laid out in this report, so people can see them at home. This audit is just the start of what needs to be done in Maricopa County. What they need to do is take the audit report and investigate those mistakes, those discrepancies, those problems to see did they occur, and if so, they need to change their procedures to make sure it doesn’t happen again.Īnd if they find, for example, that there were individuals who were registered in more than one county and voted twice, those people need to be referred to law enforcement for investigation and possible prosecution. And while it may confirm that in fact Biden was the proper winner, election officials in Arizona should not simply dismiss this audit, not take any steps. It’s to see whether there were mistakes, omissions, discrepancies in the election. It’s not actually to overturn an election. Hans von Spakovsky: Well, those who are dismissing this audit now say, “Well, see, it wasn’t necessary because it’ll show that Biden actually won the election,” are losing track of what an audit is supposed to do. Tell us what got your attention, what you think we should be looking at. Hans, I’m sure you’ve seen the releases as far as what is expected to be in this report. Here is a lightly edited transcript of Newsmax’s interview with von Spakovsky.īob Sellers: Joining us now to discuss senior legal fellow for The Heritage Foundation Hans von Spakovsky. “What they need to do is take the audit report and investigate those mistakes, those discrepancies, those problems to see did they occur, and if so, they need to change their procedures to make sure it doesn’t happen again.”

“Election officials in Arizona should not simply dismiss this audit not take any steps,” said von Spakovsky, who manages the Election Law Reform Initiative at Heritage, parent organization of The Daily Signal.

27 appearance by Hans von Spakovsky, senior legal fellow at The Heritage Foundation, on Newsmax’s “American Agenda.” Discrepancies and other problems uncovered by the Arizona Senate’s audit of the presidential election in the state’s largest county, Maricopa, were the topic of a Sept.

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